What's the difference between Tianeptine sulfate and Tianeptine sodium?
Tianeptine sodium is the most widely studied and used form of Tianeptine. Tianeptine sulfate is another form of Tianeptine which has been gaining popularity amongst self-experimenters, because of anecdotal evidence of greater efficacy. [33]
Unless otherwise stated, all mentions of Tianeptine on this page regard Tianeptine sodium.
Should you use Tianeptine?
One thing that is certain about the effects of Tianeptine is that we know relatively little about them. There is a lack of high-quality research, especially in healthy humans.
Because of the lack of research on Tianeptine, we never recommend that people use it.
If you have already decided to use it, here are some guidelines to maximize the benefits and minimize the risks.
How much and how often should you dose Tianeptine?
In France where it has been used widely in the treatment of depression, it has been used in 12.5mg doses 3x daily. [14]
How does Tianeptine work?
The mechanisms of action of Tianeptine have not yet been fully discovered by researchers.
Scientists have found that Tianeptine can exert the following neurobiological effects:
- Binds to and acts as an agonist at the mu-opioid receptor (in cell study) [19][36]
- Activates delta-opioid receptors (in cell study) [37]
- Modulates glutamate receptor currents (in rat hippocampal synapses) [38]
- Stimulates serotonin uptake (in rat brain synaptosomes and rat and human platelets) [39]
But perhaps its ability to increase neuroplasticity is the most interesting mechanism of action that researchers have found:
"The neurobiological properties of tianeptine involve a dynamic interplay between numerous neurotransmitter systems and the critical ability 1) to restore normal neuroplasticity in circumscribed limbic brain regions and 2) to reverse stress-induced impairments in synaptic glutamate transmission, which plays crucial roles in virtually all key functions perturbed in depressed states." [3]
What time of day should you take Tianeptine?
Large (75mg) doses of Tianeptine didn't have any psychostimulant effects in healthy humans in one study. [32]
This suggests that the drug won't have a negative effect on sleep. But research hasn't investigated its impact on sleep quality.
It has been prescribed historically to be taken three times a day in medical practice, which suggests that it doesn't have a negative effect on sleep if taken in the afternoon or during dinner time.
Listen to your body. If your sleep is less refreshing after a night before which you took Tianeptine, stop taking it in the evening.
It is not sedating [42], so morning use shouldn't impair alertness or energy levels.
How does it feel when you take Tianeptine?
The following qualitative user experience reports and reviews are included to give you an understanding of what the experience of taking Tianeptine is like.
An anecdotal Tianeptine experience report from YouTube
One person said about his two-day experiment with Tianeptine sulfate that it had a "warming effect" at 50mg, strong pain-killing effects at 100mg, but no anti-depressant effects after either dose. [45]
Anecdotal Tianeptine experience reports and reviews from Reddit
One person with a long history of depressive symptoms reported experiencing the following after use of Tianeptine:
"WOW. Immediatly, things started getting better. My mood was up, but I wasn't high, I just felt like how I felt I should have felt if I weren't depressed. Euphoric effects lasted about a week, and then faded. The thing is, I also had co-morbid generalized anxiety, and that went away too! It kind of washed away, not like a wave, but like the tide that retreats itself. I could see it, but only over the course of days.
Now i'm looking back, and... it's been a month I haven't felt this... normal I guess? I'm not ecstatic about life, not all the time, but i'm optimistic, I want to talk to people, just doing my work feels enjoyable, and my stress levels seem way down. I know it feels like i'm selling the stuff here, but this stuff has seriously flipped my world around. And it's not like I hadn't tried every other possibility out there, I exercise a lot, sleep well, eat very well, don't drink, don't smoke, meditate twice a day, but even with all those things, I felt like I could only go so far.
Taking this Tianeptine for a month has really made me realize I had some chemical imbalance, and learned stress responses to certain situations and environment, that I couldn't get rid of, and that Tianeptine seems to have balanced out, it's really crazy!
Sorry if I seem all over the place, it's just I have so much good to say about this substance. There's virtually no side effects, and it's so effective that I would never increase the dose, it's too valuable of a drug to me to abuse." [46]
One person with a history of suicidal ideation experienced suicidal ideation after a significant life event and the use of Caffeine together with Tianeptine. [48]
Another person reported the following:
"While I've found Tianeptine to be very effective in mitigating my negative thoughts and depressive symptoms, I find that the lows that occur in between doses are far worse than anything I feel normally (apart from the once in a blue moon occasion).
For instance, today I found myself with a very short term suicidal ideation, as I was away from my Tianeptine capsules and unable to redose for a short period. Edit: neglected to mention that in this instance I had experienced some negative external stimuli but nothing that should produce depressive symptoms of this magnitude. I had also taken Semax, Selank, Ashwagandha, caffeine, and L-Theanine." [49]
Yet another person reported experiencing suicidal ideation for several hours at a time after use of Tianeptine. [50]
These anecdotes are certainly concerning but of very low quality for assessing the risk that Tianeptine may cause suicial ideation. It appears plausible that Tianeptine's opioidergic mechanisms of action could be the reason for potential suicidal ideation withdrawal symptoms, especially if used in very high doses. Withdrawal symptoms from large doses have been reported in the scientific literature.
Several people have reported using Tianeptine in doses at or below 50mg for several weeks without withdrawal symptoms upon abrupt discontinuation of the drug. [52]
Tianeptine sulphate was reportedly ineffective for several people who tried it. [53]
One person reported the following effects from Tianeptine:
"I notice tianeptine helps get rid of the constant chatter in my brain and helps keep me "in the moment" i know that sounds tacky but its truly one of the few substances that has that effect. It's like meditation in powder form." [54]
And another user reported:
"Firstly for my 2 month review, its amazing stuff. Really good for anxiety, mood and motivation. Negligeble side effects, most notably a more relaxed memory. Indeed one of the best substances I have experimented with. ... As for long term changes in my brain, I feel less anxious and more doing. ... By a 'relaxed memory' I mean its not as sharp as it would be at baseline. I can still remember everything I need to but there is a certain sharpness (in particular to inanimate objects/details in the world around me) that is a bit dulled. ... I think its the happiness/satisfaction/chilled like feelings it gives which causes me to not pay attention to what I don't have to. This doesn't cause me a problem though." [55]
Yet another redditor reported the following:
"One of the rare things work for me is Tianeptine, destroys dysphoria/misery & puts a smile on my face. Please note the dysphoria/misery is baseless (or due to stupid reasons)." [56]
And one person said it improved their well-being, thought patterns, and social life for several days after use:
"I would always be anxious and would not have a fun time in social settings. I struggled to relax, etc. This continuously reinforced a negative feedback loop in my head, which was a viscous cycle leading to more anxiety and less and less self confidence.
Over the weekend I went out several times, and dosed tianeptine rather heavily (100-150mg/night). When on tianeptine (sodium) and drinking, I felt amazing, it completely eradicated my anxiety and really gave me a lot of confidence. I ended up having so much success with women, and being so socially fluid those few nights, it was amazing. And the best part was, the next day after drinking, when I normally have terrible anxiety (a large part thinking about how anxious I was the night before, how weird I acted and couldn't function and people didnt like me, etc), I instead did not feel any anxiety at all pretty much. My twitching even stopped. I felt fine!
It has been several days since I have taken tianeptine, or been drinking, and I have had so much less anxiety. I am wayyy more confident, due to the GREAT social experiences I had while on tianeptine those nights. It really has carried over to my sober life, which is great!!! I never thought it would work this way, but it has so far!!! I'm thrilled!" [57]
The safety of combining Tianeptine with Alcohol is not scientifically proven, so do not use Tianeptine with Alcohol.
Another redditor responded to the person who used the Alcohol-Tianeptine combination with a report of their experience:
"I've been using it in the recommended dose for over a month now and can say my results have been similar. I've conquered the majority of my negative thinking and things are looking up. I faced the same problems as you and they seem to be insignificant now." [58]
This suggests that you do not need to use high doses of Tianeptine to get beneficial effects. Higher doses are likely to lead to significantly more negative side effects.